Project round table Knowledge Health Creativity

Creative laboratory. Project round table
"Knowledge-Health-Creativity"

Video programs from the Science and Life series, where many questions are revealed, can be viewed on the Youtube channel - the link to the channel address is in the list of external sources on my page - "Round table. Playlist " with gear numbers.

Programs, illuminate the life of the project, where a round table in a friendly cozy atmosphere is a live story about the life of the project, about geologists and Geology, about science and creativity, about physics and Geophysics, about the study of the earth's interior and their results, about the planet on which we live, about the great teachers on the path of life, about children and students who can touch from early childhood and adolescence to the beautiful world of nature and its comprehension together with scientists and mentors.

Let's begin. Transfer 1: Creative laboratory. Project round table
"Knowledge-Health-Creativity". 
And just to satisfy curiosity, I will answer. Participate in the dialogue: 
M-Mikhail Ikarovich Miklyaev
A-Gennady Petrovich Andreev

* IOP - Vibrogenic and Vigenic, research areas in the theory and practice of modern mineral resources,Earth Sciences, Geology, geochronology, physics, cosmology, philosophy, astrophysics and mathematics.

1) "Vigenic. Wave planetogenic and vigenic – 
new prerequisites for the development of the dynamic paradigm of subsoil use – 
inheritance of approaches N. Tesla. New vibrodiagnostika patterns / 
G. P. Andreev, M. I. Mikljaev, I. I. Dorofeev. 
- Moscow: Publishing House "Ontoprint", 2015. – 210 p.
 
2) "Vigenic. Wave planetogenic and vigenic – 
new prerequisites for the development of the dynamic paradigm of subsoil use – 
inheritance of approaches N. Tesla. Vibration dynamics of bottom-hole zones / 
G. P. Andreev, M. I. Mikljaev, I. I. Dorofeev. 
- Moscow: Publishing House "Ontoprint", 2015. - 227 p. 

3) "Vigenic. New vibro-dynamic regularities".
Gennady Andreev, Mikhail Miklyaev, Ivan Dorofeev. 
LAP LAMBERT Academic Publishing. Saarbrucken, Deutschland. - 2017, 321 p.

The books tell - how the fundamental physical and astrophysical phenomena find their expression and reflection in geological processes and their determining parameters, such as sedimentation, features of the behavior of the geologic time scale and many other phenomena, those which are the subject of study of Geology, Vibrodiagnostiki, as a research direction studying the vibrational aspects of the existence of a geomedium and such theoretical schools as Viginia. 

The book itself will tell about itself, and in television programs the authors share the stages of development of the project, the prospects and results of research, tell what is the geodynamic antenna they are building - a geophysical telescope and geophysical Observatory the size of a planet, and much more.

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Round table. Meeting 2.

Part 1

M: Well, we are holding our second meeting today, we are continuing our discussions, we can say. We started them in this, everyday format. To looser it was easier and more understandable. Last time it was about the essence of what we were able to see. And many shared, because at the time it helped us a lot in life. Because it was the 90s. It was unsettling. Everyone mostly knows what was going on there. And we were so involved in this work. It had both field outputs, and in theory, and the main thing that generalized enormous different data from our experience long-term, from different field tasks in different regions which were solved in gas branch. From the experience of others, our teachers. In General, a lot of variety of facts, suddenly began to form, crystallize such a beautiful picture. And this engineering work, engineering, research, it helped us a lot in these difficult conditions. It gave us hope for the transience of these situations and the relevance of what we were doing in the future. And the point is what our teachers did. And the past. In General, somehow it lifted over the circumstances in which we found ourselves, the whole society. And the memory of it

A: I wanted to add a little bit from my side. I'm kind of interrupting your thought, but I'm just in the middle of it, that there were hard times in the ' 90s, but somehow I thought they weren't hard. For some reason they were happy for me. Because it's those years. 93 years old. We came to VNIIGAZ. And how it happened that we came there. My wife, then, knew his wife Belonenko, they were friends

M: Yes. Our head, Vladimir Nikolaevich Belonenko. We will devote one of the programs and our meetings to him separately. The fact that this is a legendary person, quite extraordinary. And of course, a part of it, a part, remained in us, and it helps us to this day.

A: We came as a team. After graduation. I think now there will be more story like this, informally.

M: Sure. It is very important that this is the case.

A: for some Reason I want to, now

M: Unformat. The time is formatted. Like saying. Format, or unformat. Thinking, thinking stamps, stamps ideas. Robotic life in General such, stamped.

A: Share. Here, now began to speak Michael Ikanovic about that time. And as would stirred up here is precisely these times. It was an amazing time. Michael Ikanovic already worked in Vniiigaz. How long were you working at VNIIGAZ when we got here?

M: 20 years. How come a young professional, so I. And the parents. No, me. I had the most, the biggest experience, maybe, in the gas industry, because my work in the gas industry began with 4 years. My parents brought me in Generalskuyu expedition from VNIIGAZ, was such in Dunekacke, if it is to take Saratov and Volgograd, about halfway Janecek where mountain Bogdo, lake Baskunchak. These places are amazing, Western Kazakhstan. There was close, relatively close, Oborska superdeep borehole, the first superdeep borehole in the Soviet Union. Unusual place. And young people, people of my parents ' generation, they lived and worked there in an amazing way. Officially, after graduation, I worked for 20 years. Have a wonderful specialist Michael Usevich of Hilevich.

A: Yes, it's such a long time. Period. We came, young specialists, after the Institute. We used to work at the research center. There was also a youth team, very burning with the tasks that we solved. Guys and girls. We solved this problem of data processing. Unique, of course the system we have made

M: Ecology of the entire Soviet Union. The environmental system, right?

A: Yes. We worked with Alexey Dubov, he was the head of the Department

M: and now you're back to him, and continue

A: Now, Yes. Now we are also working together. Now he is a technical Director in the company where I work. We are solving very interesting problems there. Smart schools

M: Smart schools, smart enterprises

A: Smart cities

M: you See, it will reach smart Russia, and everything will be fine

A: Yes. Now the tasks are very much in demand, relevant

M: and the power consumption is reduced almost twice, well, it's like one of the control parameters in the results of this work, Yes. So there is a lot of such clear work ahead. And improvements are also clear that they are inevitable.

A: Yes, here. The path is passed, such a large

M: well, you came in ' 93.

A: Yes, it's amazing. We came as a team. Here is to come team. Actually, I came alone first. My wife told me that her friend has a husband, a physicist, too, is engaged with the devices, and like as he needs

M: Close-minded people

A: Yes, employees, associates. Yeah, he's kind of looking for a team. And not the team, and he is looking for a specialist. When I came, talked, it turned out, that he needs and team, too,. Vanya and I came. This is the initial team. Who we've been friends with for 30 years. With Vanya. You've been my friend for years. Since VNIIGAZ. It was an amazing time. Just a family, the birth of children, interesting tasks, tremendously interesting. Geology, instruments

M: you mean with physics, right?

A: Yes, it is such environment. And Geology and physics

M: Work in physics. The application of physics, the impact of physics on different scales, right? On an instrument scale.

A: Yes. Appliances, they are like life. That is, they breathe life into the work that you do. I mean, when you're not just dealing with something speculative out there, a theory, well, I'm like a theoretical physicist. And then plunge into the atmosphere when people burn. Because Belonenko, it was such person

M: Integrator

A: Yes, his father was engaged in devices

M: Passed the baton to him. And he's from his father's PVT installation. This pressure, volume, temperature

A: Huge size

M: the Enormous size have made her

A: Up to desktop device

M: Yes, up to desktop device, with unparalleled efficiency

A: and doing it with the use of space technologies

M: Yes, technologies from space were applied, and all this modeled pressure, mantle pressure up to 15 thousand atmospheres

A: Yes, that's almost in the center of the Earth

M: it Was possible to consider this device as a puncture of the earth's crust from the planet, that is, there it was possible to see on the scale of the planetary puncture, what processes are taking place there, really, on a planetary scale. inside the earth. Behold. And new properties of the substance were discovered

A: Well, also here's an amazing story, because when we are faced with the fact that when the device is ready, its performance has already been tested, and it was necessary to report it on some tops, the tops somehow

M: we Were not ready for the scale of the opportunities. The main thing is that this manifestation of the fundamental new physical properties, on a completely different scale

A: this is a unique device, the only one in the world that can create such pressure in such small volumes. When they learned that here is, comrades scientists, so say associate professors with candidates, created such unique baby, they said, and why? Why, in the gas industry such pressure. Behold. And we began somehow to look for an excuse, so to speak to the feats, Hercules. Why? It turned out, that there is why. Because ball bearings create pressures of up to 40,000 atmospheres, in fact, because in a small volume

M: at the touch point

A: Yes, at the touch point. The areas are small and the pressures are enormous. Because the pressure is determined, say, there, by the mass divided by the area. If the area is small, the pressure is large. Then they began to look for other applications. Say, well, in medicine. For example, in the kneecap

M: in the production technology of bulletproof vests

A: Yes, health medicine. Here we are now engaged in, in our project there is a Wellness part, most. This is one of three areas: Science, Health and Creativity. Such application. Where for human health, that's really, in the kneecap develop such pressure, it turns out. And if you model them, and we modeled on the press not only there hydrocarbons for the purposes of there generally speaking oil and gas Geology, but because we had to somehow look for other applications, because

M: we Didn't get to these applications. Because this device could continue the direction, which was the first in the world implemented in VNIIGAZ. In the experimental shops, ultra-high pressure cylinders were of huge size, and the entire evolution of hydrocarbon solid sediments, coal, so Vladimir Ilyich Sokolov, my head first, he pushed, the laboratory of the Caspian basin was called, received, in 1974 it was, in the mountain German journal, academic level was published, it was the first time, where was traced the entire evolutionary series of changes in hydrocarbons in the solid phase, in coals, from the peat phase to anthracite.

A: I imagine what a colossal work it was

M: the Whole shop was

A: Because when we made this device, a desktop device controlled by a computer, controlled from another country, from another city. With a unique refueling system that is automated, there is a super computer that processed this data. Unique system. In dynamic mode. That is, they could create these pressures, push through substances, mixtures, explore literally there in two minutes. In order to measure the same in static mode, it was necessary to withstand the temperature and pressure for days. Then step by step, step by step, step by step, write it all down. It one research has gone, well, there is a week and sometimes a month.

M: the Productivity of scientific work has become hundreds of times higher. It's not even described yet, here. Could an analogy, micro-PVT as it was called, geopress Beloserkovsky, this huge shop Sokolov Vladimir Loginovich, doctor of science, right? It was possible to compare how it all began and what it came to. And such a device, it was in demand in any University of any state, even any University city around the globe. Or, for example, the demand in practical problems of solving problems of vibration seismic action on deposits in order to recover oil residues, because in the design of three devices it was possible to keep one phase of the reservoir system in statics, and with two others to create these elements of vibration seismic effects

A: pressure Difference

M: and see where it led

A: vibration mode

M: Yes. This would reveal the many mysteries that is still another mystery, well, they found some explanation in our books published. Other researchers, experimenters. But such detail, such precision, such perfection, this device could open. In General, he has discovered a new physics, a new scientific discipline, and even a new way of thinking, you might say. And the worldview of the youth, any other researcher. But this is preserved. 

A: Unique device because it has been tested

M: in the Odinburg center, which before the release of any device to the international technology market, they give licensing, so it is generally accepted. It was patronized by Princess Diana, Vladimir met her, they became friends, short, so, therefore, it was of course time, this is the hardest time, those that '90s, early' 90s. It was filled with those things when vibrostimulation has been implemented at the fields, there were even moments when including the fair sex, in the mode, the operation mode remains in the lab, day and night, and the next day. Something like that. I remember, on February 23, in such mode three working shifts were worked actually. So, on the one hand, it was a difficult time, on the other hand, it was an incredible time.

A: But we can be already due to the fact that we worked with the device more so to say dynamic, when it was not necessary to make measurements of such duration, continuous measurement, maybe that's why such complexity was not noticed.

M: Yes. Not notice. Yes, science saved us from trouble.

A: Yes, because this is the first prototype of such a dynamic device, it was not automated. It was connected to a measuring device. It was necessary, there on the device I twisted the handle, on the measuring device I looked at figure, I wrote down. Twisted I twisted, got it. That's not the first automated prototype was, so here. And he gave a little pressure, first, hundreds of atmospheres, literally there, and then

M: Started improving Nikolaevym and Bunau, these famous designers

A: Space technology have been applied there

M: They came from outer space the from space, of space exploration. With unique experience in these areas. And got success, and here.

A: Yes, that is, programs were made on the computer. Stepper motor control, which created the pressure. Management and removal of data from motion sensors, unique sensors, too, unique engines, Western firms. German displacement sensors, handenhain, stepper motors, American it seems. Sensors of movement of the highest accuracy, on optical properties. And we with this huge accuracy in a dynamic mode created inconceivable pressures, to 15 thousand atmospheres

M: a Lot of phase transitions are incredible, the behavior of a substance is fundamentally new, a mixture of substances. On realization of this device it was possible

A: Yes, a unique world-class level, unique data obtained. The only one in the world

M: It was a kind of monument. And the development of the gas industry, and the people who participated in this work, engineering work. A lot of things this device could be of useful to leave behind

A: Yes. Here you can even emphasize that working on this device, its automation,we are, it's in the 90s, it was then, when the Internet no one then heard. Then the Internet was just starting to be like.

M: and you made him work in Kiev

A: Yes, Yes, Yes. In Kiev and Germany. We drove back to the modem. One modem was in Moscow, in our laboratory, in VNIIGAZ, and the second we took to Kiev, to the thermodynamic center, here in Germany to the max Planck Institute. That is, from there, made on the lab-Windows, which allows you to make the instrument interface, where the screen handles devices can be twisted with the mouse, all the numbers, all the graphics, also a unique information system. All this was also recorded in the database. Behold. And it was possible to operate from other city, from other country

M: that is, one device could be made, depending on the time zones, on one device, its effective return from the device to increase many times, because one device could be used at a distance by many and many researchers

A: Yes, and we called it then - the system "data Factory". That is, we meant to make such a system, and for this purpose laboratory equipment was purchased, where it was possible to create precision mixtures in an automated way. And, in General, created a prototype system of the Internet, then.  Probably not even now, really. Because now it's called web 2.0, web 3.0, here. And we already probably had web 4.0, if so. Because now that control of the apparatus 10 thousand measurements per second, the pressure there is immense, the device is unique in the world, and we actually created a system that could on request from another country, from another city, from another country, create a mixture of automated, filling device, to measure. Deliver immediately in real mode data, with enormous detail, 10 thousand counts per second, well, this is a huge detail in General. And in dynamic mode, just a few minutes to measure the substance at such pressures, equipped with a dynamic thermostat

M: we can say that intellectual efforts have concentrated the results in such a small amount that could make a very big contribution to changing the paradigm of subsoil use, the world. That is, translating it from the practice of static paradigm of subsoil use into dynamic. Revealing those meanings in subsoil use that deposits have dynamic regimes, unknown, until now, and therefore such a small device could make, in itself concentrated such efforts, such results. It could make a huge contribution to the huge volume of subsoil use, both domestic and foreign.

A: and I would like to say, to say such a thought that when someone is afraid that something may happen wrong, not for that, or it is not clear for what, such as leadership, they do not think that, they are in a responsible position, as they say, do not think about what is, as if there is a social order, the planet. Yes,that if somewhere begin to realize some things, it means not just. If somewhere there are some thoughts, some implementation, it means the planet says it's time. That it should be. If there's a scientist somewhere, a genius, right? Which develops some theories, Yes? Say, some works of art   

M: Yes. Can be this object, or example, not only of our here and now dawn

A: Yes, Yes, Yes. That's what we're developing, vibro-dynamics, right? The direction of vibration dynamics, vibrational modes of the earth's interior and vibrational modes of larger scales

M: Yes, including the economy, including exchange-traded assets, and much more

A: Yes, it says what? That if something arises in the world, it arises as a response to vibrations. On any vibration, which

M: Often invisible

A: Yes, they seem to arise, and begin to develop. And people, scientists, as the most sensitive, as suppose, composers, musicians, poets. They are the most sensitive link, as if they can feel them. By the way, I want like an example like this to tell interesting. When we last talked, in the past our round table and we today when it was discussed, I touched on today, this moment, when from well data suddenly started to form in music, then and now, and the music is unique, and its arrangement, and when listening to it, suddenly here is Vanya, he is also a musician, he says, where Scriabin took in the well      

M: Yes, Scriabin. Vanya, this co-author our on book Ivan Ivanovich Dorofeev, studied under together with Gennady Petrovich in MEPhI, too,

A: Yes, Stravinsky. That's where he's from? Yes?

M: Yes, and then here's Scriabin's idea of color music, it just helped to do this color music show, on the day of the gasman, when this earthly melody, taken from 4 kilometers of depth, was made, a small experiment, variety can be said   

A: Well, once I got the idea that you listen to this music, and suddenly-croaking frogs, tiger growls

M: Yes, it was discovered, as it were, those natural sounds were revealed, which in their own way confirmed this development, at the heart of Gennady Petrovich's research, when it becomes clear that our speech, our speech is in the field of small definitions, here is this function, which goes in the field of large definitions in astrophysical galactic cycles in billions of years

A: And so, in the beginning was the word

M: That is. Perhaps as option interpretations, that those voice-over, voice-over, which we have in nature. In animals, in our speech, it just allowed the vibrations from this vibropitateli system. It allows us to communicate in the language in which we are doing so. That is, if we communicate correctly, we are in resonance with this hierarchical system, from the second range to billions of years. And just this vibrogeodynamics, it still gives us an important lesson, showing how from the old, long-standing often, from the development of spielman, from two five-centimeter signals, each of them is true 216 million years, from his monograph

A: Two graphics, Yes

M: He did. He was gone. Many years passed. And, before him, someone else did something that he relied on. And they no longer exist. And suddenly from all this there are new patterns, with very important practical consequences, which we will talk about later, right? That is, here, returning to the device, we can say that there was no such docking between such a forced utilitarian perception of the results of the work of scientists from the leadership, and the very prospects of the device that was created. And other results that have been. That is, vibrogeodynamics shows that if something arises, then this is a huge sense, such that even the author can not imagine, because the created begins to live independently for decades, and then, it's like a premise in the future, an enduring scientific result, an important, honest scientific result, there is a measure of responsibility today before tomorrow. Us before next. And the satisfaction is that if you've done something real, then the example of using spielman's data as reference points to create a whole new scientific direction shows that if you've done it, then it's a must, then it makes sense. So, this here engineering understanding, a grassroots, ispolnitelskie can say it is certainly as if that scraper soul, right? When there's a disconnection with forced, can be a utilitarian assessment of labor engineering, right? From management, right? Maybe if I was lucky. Maybe that's why we wanted to tell it, maybe not immediately, in a more detailed form, if it was lucky for the people who
 were put to lead, every power from God, we understand that. If they were lucky enough to go this way, some similar way, right? Then there was another rating, another the fate of the device, the other the fate of Belonenko, many many people. And which now, and which would then arise, and maybe some high-quality new acquisitions of domestic science would have already gone. And already following it would be much easier to build. We relied on szpilman and the others, didn't we? And our results would be based on someone else. And that's the relay race, isn't it? Well, unfortunately. But maybe it's the specifics of this, costs just 90, right? That all came down

A: to utilitarian things

M: Yes, to this, nutrition, reproduction, domination, right? It's so dominant in this grass-roots, right? 

A: and we can say that all the Geology, it's kept on the 70-ies of the last century. It was some kind of explosion, generally speaking, geological. When exploring new fields, such colossal geologists. The ones you actually caught, right? 

M: Yes, just my parents in this ninth wave of scope, this here geological, such sober enthusiasm, such any impudence. There, the Lord loves the one for the other, the first two I don't remember, and the third is for the daring. Daring for sure. They say the Lord's intention kisses. And when he was not only the intention, and was very large the results are interesting, and the main thing was, it certainly was not only then, but now it is also present, but not so massively and obviously it's something that I and many of my generation have found, this community life, as the elders say, will survive in the community, right? Well, maybe in a new round of return to this is happening before our eyes, but then we found it fully. It was not some kind of asceticism, I do not know, some kind of infringement, it was a full, reasonable, every life.

A: You said that when you came to VNIIGAZ, you felt as if all your relatives, right? And I heard this story, too, that the Director was a very sociable person, he literally went, knew everyone in person, all the employees, met, asked how he lives, what he lives. These are unique people, in General.

M: well, dialectics is the greatest science that generalizes all the other philosophies, and the greatest part of philosophy is dialectics. And the most important law of dialectics, the negation of the negation, and repetition at a new stage. We will assume that with the cleaning of unnecessary husks, from the husk of costs, all that happened good, earlier, will be repeated, and maybe we are just on the rise of the next round. So maybe we have, maybe with all the difficulties, we have the opportunity to gather here, to share. Other people are joining us. We will certainly expand our circle of contacts at this round table. Today we want to emphasize that today we have, for the sum of many reasons, we have today such an operational, as if minimal, in the absence of training, so we will try now live, on the move to share in the available time interval, what we are prompted by events, to share, so we ask for leniency in advance 

A: I think it's OK. We kind of like the first part looked at her, and realized that we really didn't say much. And we would like to highlight some things in such a more informal setting.

M: Highlight additionally. The first part, the original, the original, starting from our predecessors, not all. We then separately we will have to add and add, here. From this initial part, from the General view go directly to the end. Try to answer the question, why? And where to tie the saddle.

A: we will now move on to this, I just wanted to finish the idea that when I said that the authorities were, the top management, the industry, as if a little bit did not understand the share of what the device is, such a unique, as it were. I mean, that's the idea. Namely, that when there are any vibrations, so they are useful. So they are needed for the future, generally speaking. Now, don't bother them. And I would like to give an example of, say, what was manifested in the music of the Earth, from the wells. It turned out, there literally, some of those things that brilliant composers write-they are heard there, so to speak, and croaking frogs, tiger growling, and so on, that is, and somehow, I went somehow to the country, we have such a pond there, on the way to the country, and there was such a unique concert of frogs, just a unique concert of frogs, I heard, there was such a choir, I do not know, they probably

M: You listened, because you just heard the croaking of frogs from 4 kilometers depth, because you understand that frogs repeat vibrodiagnostika vibration

A: and I understood. I understood. It was probably not one case, because when you go out in the morning in the country and you hear this wave-like sound that comes from nowhere. From some kind of space, actually. And when I was discussing there, here, on the portal of poets and writers, as it were. I in the literary works of his displayed some moments, descriptive. Described.

M: you are a member Of the Russian writers ' Union

A: Well, Yes, a member of The Russian Union of writers, that's why he published a literary book in addition. Now, I wish she'd come in as a part of the scientific too. Our books included

M: we want to make it so that it was, the next edition we want to do in the form of conversations, because this is the most democratic form, it allows you to get away from these here, like our leaders, their position was in relation to this device was dictated by the Procrustean bed of their duties, right? Maybe they would like to support it in some way, but due to the fact that Gazprom is a huge Corporation, it rests on hierarchy, on the clarity and strength of this hierarchy, right? Each position of the official has its own responsibilities, and so, of course, there were personal motives for the reaction to the device, and official, and the severity of the times, events, these are, such destructive, that occurred. There were a lot of things, but we just wanted to emphasize that this is all transient.

A: Well, I'm here again, I still can not say that thought, and when we communicate on the portal of writers and poets, and when we read each other, there expressed such an interesting idea that they also met the same things. And when you realize that other people have faced it

M: Oh, Yes, but they didn't have an interpretation, and they don't have an explanation, they don't have an interpretation of why.

A: and they saw this interpretation, now, when I described it, they saw this interpretation, and remembered that they had encountered it. When in the mountains they hear this sound, these waves, these vibrations vibro-dynamic, which are not audible, Yes, that is, behind the visible invisible, Yes? But people still perceive them

M: the Case helps the prepared, as they say

A: Yes. And there was such a thought that frogs do not croak by themselves, Yes, it turns out they are just like composers, hear these vibrations, the highest, Yes?

M: and they do, at their level.

A: Yes, and create. Tigers roar, they perceive these vibrations

M: Broadcast through yourself

A: Yes, broadcast through itself, unique.

M: and that's why this lesson of vibro-dynamics is to see the invisible behind the visible, it is the meaning in principle of any education. Therefore, we will repeat this one way or another sometimes, on different examples, so that we succeeded, and it supported us then, in this difficult time, opened up some meanings for the future, meanings about the past, today, then time. And so these are the fulcrum, they are of course always important, at any time, in any era. And so we are glad that we saw it, we relied on it, it helped us. Thanks to this, we have done something useful, and for subsoil use, and other lights have been done, here, in other areas. So here we are, as one of the great writers said, in response to what? When do people write? And when they can't help writing, right?

A: Yes, exactly

M: Just like Shukshin said, if you write while sitting on the toilet, find time for it, that's how we are today, figuratively speaking. Here, we decided to carry out it because well, all circumstances prohibitive, and we owing to that assumed certain obligations, constancy, decided to carry out in spite of everything today.   

A: we Can say that Mikhail Ikanovic more here insisted that I wanted to profileunity

M: A very good principle — no matter what. This principle was professed by Vladimir Nikolaevich Belonenko.  Many others. No matter what. There are still such mottos, very close to us. Who else but us, huh? Behold. Oh, father Vladimir Nikolaevich was a marine was. And this "give-give-give-a-smoke"knock. He is always knocking so that the knocking pekhotinskiy. And in General, from the point of view of the lesson, summarize neobolshevism taught us, and studied vibrodiagnostika, here. We even start in other planes, not scientific, right? Now, that's to connect the unconnected, isn't it?. And therefore involuntarily reminded of the words, the decree of Peter the great, I think I will quote it close to the essence, then, "the marine corps, people are arrogant, uncontrollable, to wine and women hunt, so the ports on the coast to enforce the law, because it begins the massacre and other neposredna, but the to pay salaries regularly, for knows his business". Behold. So these are the lessons, the Marines. The famous events of the war of 43rd, when 50 Marines were restrained by huge forces, it was, in my opinion, in Novorossiysk. This is not the place to be, perhaps, out of respect for those events. 

A: well, actually, I think that on our way of development of these scientific directions, we have also passed such a heroic way

M: Well, as you said, that there is such a tool, to achieve results, tools to achieve efficiency, when after overstretched periods of work the opportunity is born as if, as in a fairy tale, baby pulled, grandmother pulled, granddaughter, bug, nothing, but, then the mouse came running, tail wagged, and it happened, right?. 

A: Yes. If grandma hadn't pulled with grandpa

M: Here we are sitting, they themselves would like to format a grandmother, kids, granddaughter, and bugs, pulling, and we seem to only tail moving, right? Here, sharing this, huh? But at the same time, amazing results happen, right? Comes the opportunity to go to another mode, like an electron, to another level, right?

A: Well, I'll give an example here may be from another area. This is probably more related to the field of creativity, in General. Health, probably. Yes, health, in our project here. For example from the field of bodily practices there, where as they say — the therapist needs to relax. Because when there is already professionalism

M: Skill

A: Skill, then this is relaxation, it allows, it is in this state of concentration through over effort, that is, when passed over the effort, then you do not expend strength, as it were, and it happens as if by itself. Built into skills, built into   

M: As a dispersed machine, regular speed moves

A: Yes. This is the principle of professionalism

M: We just wanted to convey to the children, for students, that's exactly the constancy. Here, our chaplain, Archimandrite Peter, Zaikonospassky monastery, he said, "the Most difficult change". And consistency gives, that is, the act gives the habit, habit gives character, character gives, man? So that's what permanence is, and that's why we're here now, we've decided to introduce something to you again, from this desire for permanence.

A: Well, I do want to say that when here, Michael Ikanovic went to the Tesla global Forum

M: this nomination was given

A: For long-term development

M: For the development of

A: Here's another on the back side

M: there are meanings written Here. And, Tesla global Forum gathers very interesting people. Creative youth, and shared that such an environment there is an exchange

A: In Serbia, Novi Sad

M:Novi Sad is in Serbia, the spiritual capital of Serbia, an analogue of our St. Petersburg. There is such Serbian Matica, and there, as if the Presidium of the Academy of Sciences, there was this rewarding. I was lucky, standing next to me was Nikolai Petrovich, our famous Director, public figure, the Creator of the festival "Vityaz", and I was amazed that he sang, here it is, " Tamo far»

A: Unique song

M: Serbian song. I'll have to scroll it next time, because it's

A: today we listened to the choir of a hundred people sang, just permeate vibration

M: the Serbian army was saved because it was taken to the Islands, and there, without conditions, people were killed by thousands, and so this song was born. And melody was crystallized from suffering, from death, from death. And so life-affirming. Belief in the return, tamo daleko, but we'll be back, the meaning of this song here

A: a Very hot song

M: and we hope that what we are saying was far away, but it will inevitably come, because it is the spark of development, such sparklers, in the General outline of development, industry there, domestic. It will definitely come back. And we wanted to show that the naturalness of such an unconditional presence, such analogues with respect to our example, we are no exception. In General, fibrogenic, we are told, allows, these tips gives an unusual, in comparison of the incomparable, that's why the Russian civilization she was. It's not because we're so smart, or because there's no element of pride, as they say, it just happened, right? Because the Earth, vibropile core-crust breaks Ground, we are talking about it separately, say, here, into four sectors, we have talked before here, and one of them, the powerful flow of energy on the planet is in only one country, then through Russia. Right in the middle, formatting it like a butterfly, right? Here, and this here ridge, the body of a butterfly, it fluctuates, these wings, in the form of oil and gas provinces of the Ural-Volga, a million-plus square kilometers, West Siberian, another wing of a butterfly. This flow of energy vibropile of the core-crust passes through Russia and there's hundreds of thousands of years, and there are no words, if you do not forget that words define gene pool, and here in vibropile core-crust was a dictation of the resonance from the astrophysical processes at the scale of billions of years, here's resonant relay goes through Russia, Yes? That is why such brains, such views on things, such. We seem to be a bed that can be used by all, all countries. But in this interaction. Not in aggression, not in clashes, but in interaction, because through us, through the nucleus it is transmitted to the earth's crust, from the crust to us, to this civilization in this country, and the country and we share. As Chekhov said, we are now telling you this in Chekhov, in the city of Chekhov. Anton Pavlovich, he had such a story, I probably remember it close to the text, so his friend wrote in his youth, from Taganrog, "Anton, we started together, I wrote better than you, but you're a great Russian writer, and I'm a provincial writer." And he says, " Because I never licked anything." And so we too, today, nothing is going to lick it like it is.

A: the Most interesting thing, I talk too on the portal of poets and writers, these dialogues as Plato's dialogues, well, also published in his book of literary, poetry and prose, I wonder, in this dialogue when we communicate there, joined here to retire for some reason. I was praised, they said, when I wrote such a small sketch in response, they called me the master of a short story in amazement, comparing me with Anton Pavlovich. Said I close to the style of Chekhov. I was flattered. And now being in the city of Chekhov, and we were at the Museum of Chekhov, it is interesting

M: I really like this statement of Anton Pavlovich, that if I raise the pood with one hand, then with two hands I am not two poods, but much more. So we urge you to join us, and we will raise a lot of things, not only in the field of subsoil use, but also in our lives, too

A: Yes. In literature, music, poetry

M: And that's when we're on the move, alive to present something useful, we may say not only we, but there may be some dictation, we're not holding them, not oskoreien their usual formats, right? And speak as if to pass through as is, and then you, our dear partners 

A: Respond

M: You're co-authors in all this, right? Behold.

A: Respond, write, we will publish together. We will include this in books

M: there Will be new forms, new forms how to do it

A: Because we already have this second edition. This is our first edition, which was published in Russia

M: In one part of one book, in another part of the two books

A: Yes, it is different books, as if they are similar, this one is called "Vigenic. Vibration dynamics of bottom-hole zones". Yes. And the second is called "Vigenic. New vibro-dynamic regularities".

M: that is, it is a kind of fishing option to consider the problem, and in another with a greater degree of generalization, on a different scale.

A: Yes, that is, here are three authors. Michael Ikanovic, here I am. And we still have our co-author, our comrade, Ivan Ivanovich Dorofeev.

M: Well, now that we have the courage to work informally, we will now recall our plans 

A: But the second book, I still want to say that it came here, the first edition in 2015, also recently in General, with a second edition in 2017, but foreign, Lambert Academician Publishing. This book is called "Vigenic. New vibro-dynamic regularities".

M: Now we want to make a Murzilka out of all this

A: Well, not that that really Murzilka

M: Yes, as they say, from the series "for dummies". We do not shun when professional tasks arise in Excel

A: we came to the form of the first part, we translated it into sound, then the sound was translated into text. And it was analyzed. And somehow we realized that the form of dialogue

M: Conversation. Conversations about.

A: Conversations, Yes. Conversations'.

M:and then, there, talk about, talk about this.

A: and how about Platonic dialogues, conversations.

M: Yes, physics-Geophysics, chemistry-Geochemistry

A: Yes, that is, you can develop the topic so gradually, in a dialogue

M: and to show by vivid examples, by examples from school disciplines, to show how these school, basic disciplines, how they work in subsoil use, in other areas. As they participate in the delineation of the picture, this vibrodevices sound all around, right? Behold. Gennady Petrovich has developments when he tracked these astrophysical cycles, not only here, at a depth of 4 kilometers, but also in exchange processes, Yes? In many other processes. That is, if everything sounds, sounds in us, sounds in the planet, in the earth's crust, in the depths, in space, in the universe, necessarily sounds in everything.

A: You can still show here, it is here that's interesting. The book "Journey with the Gods»

M: The Book Of Ephraim, Galina Fedorovna

A: Where the faces of the Earth it displays in different pictures, it is interesting completely

M: Yes, how can you read the living Earth

A: It is very beautiful

M: we told you last time that this is only part of those pictures she has, stunning beauty, colors. So here is a reading of the earth's crust on different scales, from different levels. Very informative and the main thing that it baffles the children's brain dies, right? As Stanislavsky used to say? "The most severe, it dies. The artist has to tear off stamps every day with blood and meat". It is also an additional opportunity of creative work of any intellect. Behold. It is possible to argue, on each concreteness. Sometimes people cling to the little things, not the essence. In her work the main thing   

A: they cling to the visible, and to the invisible

M: It shows an example of creative audacity, for which the Lord has mercy and kisses, right? And so, here we found opportunities to work together, because many of the things that came to it intuitively, in the form of such, emotional creativity, imaginative. We highlight from the point of view of the equations that she is right

A: but in icons, in icons, the same thing. When this attitude is right spiritual. Tell me. 

M: Yes, icons. We are currently working on the next book. It's small. "The acquisition of love", is called. About today's, the current contribution of icon painters, domestic, who work in gold colors. That's about 30 shades of gold, here. And they make it possible to increase the energy of the icon-radiation many times, as if helping a person to personally perceive the idea that we can not see the Lord, but to perceive the energy from him, to join it, to rely on it, to be purified by it, right? Understand it. Prepare to continue the path of this energy, that's where it becomes, this energy flow from the iconographic image. Well, icons, like a window, means a window through which you can something that a person needs to see, learn, feel, lean. Therefore, there is such a workshop, "Alexandria", is called. It is headed by Vladimir E. Veriga, and he, here, we can say, an example of his work, the masters who work there, shows here, gives the experience to see the invisible behind the visible, right? Behold. And in its own way this is the mystery of the physics of faith, we highlight with our work, as if in such a small aspect.   

A: and I'm close too. Because

M: my Grandfather was a priest?

A: Grandfather was a priest. Yes, this is on the one hand. And on the other hand, in interaction here, with those people, in the creative part. And artists. Here, Kira Troitskaya, the artist is wonderful. A great poet, a storyteller. She, by the way about me the tale written. Not read?    

M: I don't think so.

A: but I guess I didn't send you. I asked her permission, can I show it to my friends? She allowed it. She, too, here is wrote the icon

M: Kira Troitskaya, right?

A: Kira Trinity. She told me what a unique state it is when an icon is written. And I did, too, here at the courses of drawing, painting, technique of rapid drawing. Also painted pictures. Even studied in the icon-painting workshop. Studied too. Behold.

M: well, by the way physics helps. Here, we talked, I think, about Rauschenbach, associate Queen. He wrote a huge monograph, in the 80th year, it in my opinion came out, in a soft cover, gray, 500 pages, there is the physics of iconography. And so that's one of the purposes of our work is to highlight this physics of faith, that is, that faith is science. Without any claims on any absolute interpretations, Yes? Just additionally like to disclose here is this idea that if they used to say that if you are a believer, you are dark, it is now possible to say, if you're an unbeliever, you're dark. Moreover, it is not necessarily any one denomination. In principle, the scale of perception

A: Father Peter, he came from all over Russia, right?

M: Not only from Russia

A: What rank he has high, Archimandrite

M: and by the way, a musician. He was the artistic musical Director of the Moscow state Philharmonic. At the age of 51 he began his ... way. He pushed us all the time, obliged, scolded

A: I was so surprise that such a spiritual person, we have been supported in scientific endeavors, in creative, seems to be not the Church

M: When my unbelieving friends came to him, after I invited them to him, as a person, not just as a spiritual person, just to talk. I say, you communicate, it will be to you acquisition. And he pulled out of the bedside table, such a huge monograph, I do not know unfortunately, there is no one who is the author, and there, from Jung, Newton, and ending with contemporaries, great scientists of modern, deeply religious people. He always loved to ask, "what are you smarter than them is eh everyone?".   

A: I went to the service here In new Jerusalem, this is near Moscow, in Istra. And it is interesting that on service, me and several still young people, invited inside. I. e., there where goes service,and gave book, much thicker this. And there are all the birth names of priests who read it. And I was trying to find my grandfather there. And perhaps found.

M: Well, that's why we now, through our vortex processes like this, wanted to indicate, as it were, that today, even if it is also in the preliminary, then it can be repeated, to identify what, after all, one of the interpretations of our final tasks. What would you like to happen in the end.